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  1. YoongiGirl16 on Chapter 1 Fri 16 Aug 2019 06:34AM UTC

    I think it was more for the Fanfic than anything. The authorer was just trying to find a way to make the orgy and ships work together. And the spectrum thing wasn't really homophobic at all. It was more like anybody can fall in love with any gender as long as it's the right person. Kind of trying to approach personality in that part. And sexuality doesn't always have to be romantic. I've met gay people who have had sex with women but would NEVER date one. There were some questionable parts in the fic but it wasn't really much that was SERIOUSLY homophobic and I don't think the author meant for you to take it that way. The actual definition of Homophobic is showing a dislike or prejudice against homosexuals. None of that happened here. The main problem I think you have is Yoongi's disregard to the feeling of others. I had never really thought of sexuality as a spectrum ( and the author saying spectrum is probably where you got confused. Because there is a lot of gray area but there is also an end. Therefore a person CAN be strictly gay or straight which is what the author got at. They also just stated that there are many people in that gray area. Yoongi even said "SOME GUYS" .I think that's one of the major things you might have misunderstood). For example I consider myself to be a lesbian through and through lol. But does that mean that I wouldn't want to experience sucking dick with no strings attached because I don't feel things for guys? No it doesn't. (Even though I don't cos penises creep me out. Ahhhhhhh). Overall I don't really see ANY homophobia in this chapter. Just a lot of disregard.

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    1. eulimnion on Chapter 1 Sun 18 Aug 2019 05:28AM UTC

      no offense but saying there are "some guys" who are straight/gay that are willing to go outside of their orientation is again, repeating basic homophobic rhetoric. "why cant you just find the right noe, so you dont have to be one of /those/ gays?"

      im all for making up a situation, but using literal copied homophobic sayings aint one. i get its not offensive to you, but i damn well have the right to be offended. not to mention yes, the shit is homophobic.

      the whole romantic/sexual devide is homophobic too. if youre willing and enjoy having sex with both sexes youre bi with a dating preferences. thats how sex works, and sexual orientation... refers to sex.

      im not one to throw the word homophobic around lightly. in my original comment, i carefully explained how each element and quote was homophobic, and often added examples for the rhetoric it mirrored. you can say "wasnt even that homophobic" all you want, but the similarity remains the same and is /especially/ concerning since, all statistics accounted for, the author probably /isnt/ gay, much less a gay man.

      if penises gross you out (which trust me, i get, bec they gross me out too, hence part of why im a /lesbian/) why would you be willing to suck on one? that doesnt even make sense.

      come back when youve had these lines thrown at you irl i guess. i hope you dont though, because no one deserves that even if it means you get a better understanding what life is like for other gay people. i just... idk. i dont see how you could read that, especially with how i specifically explained each quote, and go "thats not that bad :>!!!" unless youre just, yknow trying to find an excuse to still like the story and read it.

      it can be homophobic and you can still like the story. just dont try to deny the first because of the second. it doesnt look good.

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      1. undervvhelm on Chapter 1 Mon 19 Aug 2019 01:50AM UTC

        lol i was too lazy to put it to proper words but you capture my problem with this fic perfectly

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      2. YoongiGirl16 on Chapter 1 Mon 19 Aug 2019 07:17AM UTC

        As someone who is a lesbian (I don't consider lesbian and gay to be the same thing). No offense as well but as I'm basing things in the story off of being homophobic that argument doesn't really stand(at least in my opinion). There wasn't any homophobia in this chapter and I'm basing that observation off of the definition of Homophobia. The only thing present in this chapter was a lack of respect for a preference and respect for boundaries. The spectrum thing is exactly what the book says it is. A theory. And the penises thing was an example. For me they gross me out and that's why I don't like them. But a girl can be lesbian and have sex with a guy no feelings attracted. Though even though they gross me out I'm all about new experiences (I guess it depends on the kind of person you are), so I'd be open to trying it out (I'm positive I won't like or enjoy it though🤷🏿♀️). It's really like certain smells (oranges for example cos I hate the smell of those) gross me out but that doesn't mean I don't eat the foods that smell like them or that I'm not willing to try them. I just used myself as an example because I understand MY feelings the best. Honestly I don't care for homophobic comments in stories because their just stories so if that was the case I'd tell you😂. Maybe you and I just see the comments made different because I'm not really seeing the homophobic remarks. Homophobia is once again described as "dislike or prejudice against homosexuals" as that is the factual definition, none of that is located here. And as someone who's been on the receiving end of actual homophobic phrases and terms (I hope this is a phase, gay ass, faggot, to name a few) this would be a situation where I sit down TEACH them about what it means to be lesbian or gay and tell them why what they said doesn't apply to me. The spectrum thing is of course an opinion. I've always believed that it has A LITTLE truth to it. It's similar to a theory that I have but also has some major differences which is also why (as I said in my last comment) I don't agree with it but it is a theory. But what I believe is similar. I (as a Christian lol) believe that every one has several soulmates. Each of which you may or may not meet some day given to you by God (as I said this is an opinion). Even if your gay I believe that one or so of your soulmates COULD in theory be a female (your exception) who is like your other half. Though the theory has only ever come up between me, a few friends, and my ex girlfriend, I've always believed it had some truth to it. And I never said that ANY quote you explained wasn't bad because each of them was rude. I simply explained that they don't fit under the term homophobia. There may be a better term for them but if you were to research homophobia/homophobic this wouldn't come to mind (at least it didn't for me)

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        1. YoongiGirl16 on Chapter 1 Mon 19 Aug 2019 09:11AM UTC

          And yes sexual orientation refers to sex. The sex people you are attracted to are born with not who your willing to have sex with. A person who is not in a feelings relationship who is gay could have sex with the opposite sex because there are no feelings and therefore there is no attraction.Sexual orientation is defined as a persons attraction sexually, romantically, AND emotionally, meaning all three are present. This is what I'm getting from my research (you can of course disagree though pls refrain from cursing at me because saying no offense or not to be rude and then cursing seems pretty rude). I get that the quotes affected you but putting them under words that don't go with their meaning is what my comments are about. The quotes weren't homophobic but your free to feel like they were to you. But when you use words like homophobic to describe things you have to have an understanding of the word and it's meaning (not necessarily saying you don't). That way you aren't accusing people of being things or saying things that are not true. As someone who is black, a woman, and lesbian I know what it's like to feel descriminated against unfortunately. But it's like the difference between racist and prejudice. You've gotta be able to tell them apart. Saying that something is basic homophobic rhetoric and then saying a sentence that is completely different from what was actually said didn't really make sense to me (referring to the first paragraph you replied). But as you said before some of the stuff I say you don't get and that's fine. We can agree to disagree, I'd love to hear more about what you think and we could kindly exchange words. It's interesting seeing someone else's POV on everything who actually understands what it's like to be attracted to the same sex. The author explained their is opinion just as we're explaining ours. As I stated before you are of course free to have an opinion and to FEEL cos that's what your meant to do as a human. But sometimes thouts and feelings may not line up with actual facts. That's all sorry if I riled you up, that wasn't my intention. Just wanted to explain another side of the story

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        2. eulimnion on Chapter 1 Mon 19 Aug 2019 10:57PM UTC

          perhaps we disagree in how blatant something must be for it to be considered homophobia. i base my judgement here off of the facts that the quotes mirror homophobic arguments, such as having exceptions etc. i dont care about whether youre a lesbisn or not or whether youd be willing to sleep with a man. thats frankly not relevant. i stand by what i said, in that the quotes are homophobic in nature due to their intense similarity with logic used to further homophobic ideas that are used to delegitimize homosexuality. i will not reply further.

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          1. YoongiGirl16 on Chapter 1 Tue 20 Aug 2019 02:24AM UTC

            I guess we do disagree. I base my opinion off of actual facts and evidence and research. I stand by what I said because the comments were not homophobic just because adding words or changing things said could make them homophobic. However I respect your opinion. Have a lovely life.

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